Thursday, June 5, 2008

Florida at the Precipice of Depression

I was going to call this “Banks March Us Into Depression,” or maybe more fitting is . . . “Complete Collapse of US Banking System.” Folks, that is what we are looking at. I don’t see any way around it. What we’re seeing here in Florida, is your crystal ball. And what happens here, is coming to a town near you . . . soon.

This past week I didn’t write anything, because what I am seeing unravel is disturbing to the point I had to question what I was seeing and hearing. So I decided to take as much time as I needed to digest it all, and then put something together for you. So here goes . . .

I could prepare volumes of spread sheets with Bernankesque numbers. I could talk about commodity prices and oil and third world politics and a dozen other metrics that all lead to the same conclusion. But let me give you a ground zero look. That’s what I do best. I will leave the manipulation of the numbers to the folks on Wall Street that do it best. The same folks that have created the precipice they will soon push us off.

I spend a great deal of time dealing with Asset Managers hired by banks stuck with REOs. So as not to re-hash the events leading to the housing crisis, I will not discuss the free-money policies of the past, and I will not discuss the absolute lack of accountability in making the bad loans of the past. Let’s just deal with how the banks are attempting to recover.

Unfortunately, banks are not making a realistic effort to address the crisis. That may be because they cannot. As the banks and builders have announced write down after write down, my mantra has been . . . and continues to be . . . NOT ENOUGH – NOT ENOUGH – NOT ENOUGH. I still believe that. The builders and the banks have underestimated the magnitude of the problem, and they continue to do so. Analysts continue to look at the rear-view mirror and attempt to manipulate numbers based misguided historical assumptions. NAR and the economists continue to twist the numbers, lie and then slip in prior-month adjustments without actually comparing apples to apples. But that is another article. The bankers and the fat cats on Wall Street sit back and watch the carnival, collecting fees from everyone they can snooker.

I have recently started turning away REO properties from banks and asset managers, even though hundreds of thousands of real estate agents nationwide are lined up waiting for these listings. I made the decision because we have reached a point where these listings are costing us money, and the asset managers are squeezing harder and harder . . . because they can. There are GREAT asset managers and there are incompetent ones. The majority fall into the incompetent bucket, but we eliminate them quickly. The banks, on the other hand, continue to throw away money with the bucket of incompetent managers. It seems like the mortgage brokers that pushed funny money for the last six years are now starting asset management companies. We still work with a number of asset managers and banks directly, but the list of asset managers is growing smaller as properties fail to sell. When that happens, properties are bundled up and sold in bulk or at auction. This puts further downward pressure on markets because of lower prices and the inventory was not absorbed . . . it just changed hands.

Banks cannot afford to take 50-75% hits on mortgages, and that is exactly what is happening. The precipice is here, and we are on it. Recent reports about home sales rebounding are insignificant, because no one is accurately describing the growing inventory build-up. Banks simply don’t have the margins to deal with this crisis. And for that reason, we will see massive bank failures and this will snowball into a complete economic meltdown. If you have an argument against this scenario, I’d love to debate you on a live conference call. We deal with the banks. We know what is going on before the numbers show up at the Fed or any analysts desks. We deal with the public, so we hear the desperation at all levels. I listen to grown men cry about how to explain to their families that they are losing everything. I listen to people that I fear are on the verge of suicide. I read about people committing crimes simply to put food on the table. Spend a week with me, and you’ll understand why there is no feasible way to avoid a Depression.

The banks will fail, just as they failed in 1929 . . . but worse because this time some of this leverage is as high as 40:1. Insurance? Where is that going to come from? There is no insurance that can cover the cost of the coming bank failure, unless we just print more money. We are two generations removed from 1929. I am talking about Biblical 40 year generations. And when you look at who we were in 1929 and who we are now, you’ll realize just how ugly it is going to be. In 1929 there was a stronger base of family values. There was a work ethic that we don’t see today. The generation from 1929 – 1969 grew up with a totally different set of values than the generation from 1969 – 2009. The first generation worked their way out of the Depression. Today’s generation doesn’t understand work. We only understand creative financing and how to live off the next generation. And sadly, that is where we are today. We are at the precipice, and we are going to push our children over the edge because we lived so far above our means and ignored all of the warning signs. We lived just like the Romans in their final days.

Harsh? Like I said, spend one week with me, and you will go home with a new outlook about life, people and the crisis that is unfolding. You will go home with a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach. Guaranteed.

Just Florida? No, but Florida is your crystal ball.

The next generation? I would like to think we will eventually build ourselves out of this Depression with nuclear plants, solar and wind farms, seawater desalinization plants new roads and bridges and state of the art cars and trucks. Unfortunately, who is going to get their hands dirty? For those that study history, how would we manage a WPA with today’s generation? It will be a much tougher recovery, because we have lost the fundamentals that made us the greatest country in the world.

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26 comments:

Mike Morgan, J.D., GRI, CRS said...
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Anonymous said...

Mike, thanks for the update. It sounds quite scary down in FL. Up here in NYC it's a little eerie. There are a ton of new condos going up all over the place, big buildings that cater primarily to the high end of the market. The developers haven't a clue that Wall Street is gasping for air now, that the $1.75 2BRs they're selling are the last thing most sane folks want now. Remember, more than 50% of Wall Streeter's wealth is tied up in stock that is down at least 50% from the highs. Combine that with the continual downsizing we'll see over the next three years, and it becomes pretty clear that the banks and developers are going to take some serious pain. I don't feel bad for them, though. They are so greedy. It's time they learn what it feels like to be on the other side of the table.

I think we'll see some interesting times pretty soon.

Oh, almost forgot: keep your eye on LEH. They're in a world of trouble. They haven't taken any real pain on their commercial real estate loans, nor have they taken any measurable pain in their CDO and LBO/private equity portfolios. In short, they are marking their posy's to fantasy. I suspect they'll end up in a heap of trouble. They can only avoid the inevitable so long. Sad, but they have it coming to them.

soswald said...

I read a comment from a banker that was of the generation that experienced 1929+ depression. He said something along the lines of "you don't know it, but my generation will be missed. We have been the ones with the memory of the depression and prudence to avoid repeating it".

Mike Morgan, J.D., GRI, CRS said...

Hi Soswald - Thanks for the post. It's true, the Depression generation is already gone, and maybe that is why we pushed it to the precipice again. There was none around with the memory. And guys like Bernanke that are supposed to be experts on the Depression simply confirm my statements about economists and analysts who sit in their offices reading books and looking in the mirror. The twenty year olds of 1929 would be 100 today. There are still some that lived through it, but they were just children.

Greenie said...

Mike,

I enjoyed your post today and cut and pasted a small section in my blog
http://greenscam.blogspot.com. Hope it is ok with you.

Also, you may go over this post of mine that explains why we have so many bankers in this country and so few scientists trying to solve real problems.

http://tinyurl.com/63yzau

Again, thank you for your insightful posts from ground zero.

Greenie

Robert said...

Mike, I've been reading your commentaries for over a year. You've always hit the nail on the head. I agree that we are indeed heading toward a depression. It might not be like the 1930s with soup lines and armies of hobos, but it will be painful. I think the reason it will be so painful is because the USA has lost its grip on economic reality. Producing goods is the only way the US can escape its economic problems, and the average American is not willing to work at producing anything of value. All americans do is consume.

When a noted analyst who was formerly with Punk Ziegel & Co. came on Bubblevision (CNBC) in March and called a bottom on financials, my blog remark was: "He's a moron." I knew that was not the bottom because of Mike's commentaries.

I've watched the Florida real estate markets carefully for 2 years now. Mike and I have even communicated a couple of times via e-mail.

I'm now retired but have held off buying a condo or co-op in South FL. I worked in finsnce, so I've always paid careful attention to prices. Over the past 2 years, I've seen asking prices on South FL condos and co-ops take 60% haircuts. Every time I think about coming down there to check things out, I look on the Florida MLS and prices are down another couple of percentage points.

Thanks, Mike, for your advice to wait on buying.

ONmoney said...

This stuff must look cheap to foreign investors. DO you see any buying of this type coming around to buy bulk RE?

Mike Morgan, J.D., GRI, CRS said...

ONMONEY - Yes, there is foreign interest, but nothing like what you hear from the media kings like Mark Zilbert and Peter Zalewski. The Europeans are skeptical. The Russians have more money than brains, but I will not even work with them. Just think about me selling a Russian group a $100M condo project where they will lose $25M. Needless to say, I'd be a dead man. The Asians don't mess with this stuff. Overall, the foreign buyers are totally insignificant. Patience. Short the markets and hold on.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the stock picks. I bought the ETFs you recommended a couple of weeks ago and I shorted the top 10 builders. For those that missed Mike's brilliant call, SKF is up 15.12%, SRS is up a measily 2.34% and FXP is up 11.8% in just two weeks and since I bought them all on margin, my numbers are double. Mike, a million thanks because I invested $800,000 in your ETFs and shorting the top ten builders. Hey kiddo, my 800K play money is over a million in two weeks. So my brother says I have the wrong Morgan managing my money because our accounts are with JPMorgan. We love ya and there is a little surprise in the mail. Keep up the writing, because someone needs to stand up and tell it like it is.

Anonymous said...

mike, the banking regulators have been so asleep at the wheel. they sat back while the banks put on their balance sheet the highest exposure of c&d loans ever. in FL, 184 insured institutions out of 317 have more than 100% of their core capital exposed to c&d loans.in GA, 68% of the banks do. the FL banks are in major denial as only 2 banks report troubled c&d assets more than their core capital. as a comparision, 16 banks in GA have more than 100% of their core capital in troubled c&d assets. re values have declined more significantly in FL so the problems should be greater. the banking regulators are likewise asleep at the wheel during this part of the cycle as they are not forcing these banks to recognize reality. this movie will not have a happy ending.

Anonymous said...

Mike,
You thesis speaks loud and clear. But do not discount the current younger generations (speaking X and Y here) as wholy incapable of surviving this. Do not forget the high on the hog, easy money, buying stock on margin horsecrap the alleged great generation you speak of engaged in before the 29 crash. Expect current generations to perform similarly. Ultimately, we're all the same animal.

Anonymous said...

I am cashing out of all my properties and using the money to pay off our primary residence, a farm in the country where we can grow our own food. This leaves us debt free completely and with money in mutual funds.

I believe the depression/recession is coming, but other than that, I don't know what to do.

Advice?

Anonymous said...

Your girlfriend Ivy was right behind you on the banks. Check out here garbage in the Wall Street Journal today. Go get'em Mike. Mike Morgan for President.

Mike Morgan, J.D., GRI, CRS said...

If everyone posts as Anonymous, I can't address your questions without a lot of confusion. I suggest you create posting names to use. As for the Anonymous that asked for advice, call or email me. As for my personal positions, I am still short the builders, and long SKF, SRS, FXP and a little DUG for excitement. And I own puts on the builders and calls on SKF, SRS, FXP and DUG.

MMQ said...

Mike,

As an avid reader of Michael Shedlock's blog and now a reader of yours from the start, I have to say that you are reporting more accurate information than anyone else is anywhere. There needs to be a correction, in my opinion, back to the 1995 level. This is when the dot.com bubble started and everything has been skewed since. But alas, to go back would mean that we could go back to that employment picture as well when things were still manufactured here in the states. I don't know where housing has to drop to make it "an affordable investment alternative to renting". But CASH FLOW is a BIG KEY to the whole mess.

Russ

Mike Morgan, J.D., GRI, CRS said...

Hi Russ - Thanks for the comments. Mish is a friend of mine. Great guy. I think I can take some credit for turning his head three years ago. As for Cash Flow, I agree 100%. I actually just talked about Cash Flow a couple weeks ago. Here is the link - http://realestateandhousing2.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-to-call-bottom-101.html

Thanks again for the comments.

Anonymous said...

Mike,

Thanks for an uplifting message! It made my weekend and lifted my spirits.

Anonymous said...

Mike,

I am 40 and I can tell you that my generation does have some that know how to work. We have grown up in the shadow of the boomers and have had to scramble for the scraps. I think that due to the culture that the boomers grew up in they have created more selfish pigs with an entitlement mentality than any generation since the 20s. Every generation has these hogs but the boomers have really gone over the top.

If you look at the leadership at companies like enron, the leadership on wall street, the politicians selling us out... yep, they are all boomers.

They are the generation that has really pushed the USA over the edge with massive entitlement programs, corporate welfare, distorted tax/social/agri policies, borrowed from the future, polluted the environment, etc.

Welcome to the future of lowered expectations thanks to our predecessors.

Red Esprit said...

Funny you should bring up the generational differences. I have been saying the same for some time. I am in Cape Coral. My friends, mostly in their late 50s, have seen this coming for a long time and are prepared to some extent. The younger generation are like deer in the headlights. Its getting really ugly in the Cape

deflationaryjane@yahoo.com said...

There are some still alive that remember the depression, even if they were very young. My mother, born in 1923 and who is still kickin, lived through the 20 and 30s in Germany. Talk about brutal. I was a surprise baby. I learned to be frugal from her. She almost never took a sick or vacation day. To her, if you could breathe, you could go to work or to school - no excuses.

Us Xers are mixed bag. My husband and I live just outside Sacramento but we're getting out before CA implodes. We hold zero debt. We rent, stick 20% pretax in our 401k every month and then another 12% into plain jane savings. All the boomers at work live paycheck to paycheck, planning on selling RE to fund their retirement. So while we may be a Xers, don't count us all out and certainly don't count all the boomers in.

Drew said...

Mike,

Thank you for your "boots on the ground" approach to Florida RE market analysis.

I think historians will be looking back, citing your blog entries, as they chronicle this catastrophe. (I too posted an excerpt and link to this post on my blog - hope that's okay.)

www.flipthisburger.com

Independent Accountant said...

I came across you through WC Varones. I follow Mish, but disagree with him and you. The banks won't fail, the dollar will. Hyperinflation, here we come. Or at least inflation in the 10-15% range for a decade.

pal43 said...

Mike,I've been reading you blog for some time and to say i'm dumb-founded
would be an understatement,I'm in Canada where sales and prices are all over the map ie:100k over asking is not uncommon and yet sales are flat for the last six months.The only type of information available is through main stream media and realtor reports.I guess what i'm asking is do you have any feelings about the Canadian market and where we're heading? Thanks for your eye-opener.

Mike Morgan, J.D., GRI, CRS said...

Hello to ALL - I apologize for not responding to all of the posts and the emails. It has been overwhelming, as this article seems to have been re-posted around the world. My email box is full of responses, and I am pleased to say they are 99% positive. I will write something this week that will address many of the questions and comments from US folks, and the emails I have received from a number of countries. Thanks again for all of the positive comments and concerns.

Jared H. Beck said...

Mike, I agree with the analysis. History should confirm that Florida is the "crystal ball," just as the 1920s collapse of the overheated speculator's market in Florida real estate foreshadowed the stock market crash and the greatest depression of them all.

Jared H. Beck, Esq.

For those interested in the legal angle to the issues which Mike writes about, please check out my blog at http://beckandlee.wordpress.com/

Mike Morgan, J.D., RIA said...

Jared Beck and his wife are attorneys that are on top of the South Florida real estate and housing markets. Harvard and Yale graduates respectively, they are a cut above the rest. I recommend their blog, but as with me, they have little time to write publicly. What they do post is excellent http://beckandlee.wordpress.com/